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RE: Ron Carter Hummer ain't cool... - 12/16/2006 11:55:15 PM
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NewtonsLaw
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Damn junkie I THINK YOU WIN THE POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!
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RE: Ron Carter Hummer ain't cool... - 12/17/2006 3:27:49 AM
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I think we all know the issues of this lift impacting the steering components have nothing to do Ron Carter. When you change the geometry of the suspension, everything else attached is going to change, most certainty the steering. GM will not warranty that. We really need to letting FabTech know what we think. Hence the reason for this Forum! Ron Carter is a Great dealer and they back it up every time I'm there!
ysrjunkies post seemed to mention that everything was inline & the geometry didn't change? Let me know when you are ready to order your lift kit, I'll save you some money 
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RE: Ron Carter Hummer ain't cool... - 12/17/2006 12:50:03 PM
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All of the additional parts replaced were stock...
Hence, if the tierods showed a sign of wear, it's very likely that the steering components caused these issues. We already know that the tierods didn't cause this. As for the lift & FabTech, it's a suspension only mod & doesn't affect the steering. The larger tires, in my opinion will affect the steering system, how much, I don't have a clue. I'm working on tire issues right now.
Now are the steering componets a problem on non-lifted H-2's. Just by my research this past week, I'd have to say yes. I've spoken with many H-2 owner's that have had to replace the steering gear, pitman & idler arms numerous times before 10,000 miles. Some even 6-8 times by 30,000 miles
As far as the lift kit...No I don't install nor sell them. I know three different companies that sell them & one is much cheaper than the others
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RE: Ron Carter Hummer ain't cool... - 12/17/2006 2:41:32 PM
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Most of the non lifted H2 owners I have talked to that have replaced these parts have 37" tires on the truck...So really it is the combination of both things, but mainly because of putting on the larger rims and tires...And yet there have also been those owners who doesn't have larger tires and have replaced those parts but not nearly as fast as those who have the lager tires...So I guess it is safe to say that really the culprit is the larger tires..But by having the lift you have to put the larger tires on so in my opinion they are one in the same...
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RE: Ron Carter Hummer ain't cool... - 12/18/2006 4:42:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: 2H2s
All of the additional parts replaced were stock...
Hence, if the tierods showed a sign of wear, it's very likely that the steering components caused these issues. We already know that the tierods didn't cause this. As for the lift & FabTech, it's a suspension only mod & doesn't affect the steering. The larger tires, in my opinion will affect the steering system, how much, I don't have a clue. I'm working on tire issues right now.
Now are the steering componets a problem on non-lifted H-2's. Just by my research this past week, I'd have to say yes. I've spoken with many H-2 owner's that have had to replace the steering gear, pitman & idler arms numerous times before 10,000 miles. Some even 6-8 times by 30,000 miles
As far as the lift kit...No I don't install nor sell them. I know three different companies that sell them & one is much cheaper than the others
How can you say that a lift kit won't affect steering? I will be willing to bet that over 90% of the steering gear replacements have been due to the gear leaking, not looseness. All H2's have a little play in the idler arm and pitman arm. I haven't ridden in a lifted H2 with larger tires that didn't handle like crap on the street. The stock parts are designed to be used on a stock vehicle, if you change things (ie. lift kit) things are going to wear out quicker.
I'm not saying there was a miscommunication or not about the bill (I wasn't there), but I wouldn't think that GM should warranty any suspension or steering components if the vehicle has a lift kit on it. Just my .02
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RE: Ron Carter Hummer ain't cool... - 12/18/2006 10:01:40 PM
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WTF!!!!!!!!!!!! I just logged in and I am beside myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I need a cocktail to read all this BullSH**!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn...............yeah..........I spelled it out!
What the hell is wrong with people in this world!!!!!!!!!!!! What the hell happened to the 70's...................................................LOL????????????
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RE: Ron Carter Hummer ain't cool... - 7/19/2007 5:18:51 AM
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There has been a lot of time since the last post. I am wondering what you have found out to date.
From the way everybody has been talking about Ron Carter I think that I may take a trip out there for myself. If they treat there customers half as well as everyone is saying (not just this thread but others as well) I may take a trip down there when it comes time to replace my wifes Jetta. And I live in northern Nevada.
We recently had to take the Jetta in due to over heating and was told by VW that the prob. was the electric fans and they would cost $1,000 plus labor. Found out that the prob. was the relay and only cost us $175 with labor. We will not be going back to that dealer. Only reason we purchased the Jetta was
1: cargo room. Good enough for our monthly trip to SLC for groceries.
2: Est. 25-30 MPG
3: Cargo room
Anyway back on the subject, (sorry ADHD) I hope that things have worked out for you. Please let us know because my wife has been looking at the H3 and I hear that there may be an H4 coming soon.
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On the part of part failures goes, I saw those Fabtech tie rods and was amazed at the way they were. My best guess why they were the way they were is that some side to side pulling was done because the ball and socket end of the inner tie rod was stretched. There was no indication that the lift kit had anything to do with their demise. All of the geometry was inline. Maybe the wheels were turned when between some rocks, the vehicle was winched to the side or something like that where the truck was pulling the tie rods apart. It's only a guess so please don't take it the wrong way. If the torsion bars were not marked and installed the same way they were removed during the lift install it may be possible to get the results that you experienced. I'm curious to hear about what the metalurgist has to say about the bars. That kind of stuff is very interesting to me. I like to learn from my mistakes and if I can others too. I wish you and everyone here a very Merry Christmas and I hope my post here is not taken in a negative way. 
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